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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 17, 2009 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Newbie question

Hello to all from a long-time lurker. Actually, I'm an oldie raised in L.A. and have had the good fortune to see lots of monster shows up and down Cali from 71 to 90.

My question is about He's Gone - I was listening to the 9/72 Hollywood Palladium tapes this morning and I noticed that it's in the form that I recognize. But I also remember that I've heard the song differently in the Europe tour. So, does anyone know why the change and when the first one that we all know and love was played? And who's 'he'?

Thanks in advance.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 17, 2009 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

First off welcome!!! Nice to have you aboard the Ship of Fools. Captain Mandojammer has the Conn (or whatever those squid say).

I am not sure what change you are referring to. I always liked the earlier ones because they are slightly up tempo compared to what the song became but I don't think it happened that early. As for "he", I was alway under the impression that the song was about Mickey's father after he ripped off the band. I believe that came to light in early '71 and the song was introduced later that year. I am sure there are others here who can provide more details. The song later morphed into a tribute to friends who had passed away.

strat is correct it debuted in '72

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2009-03-18 01:03:48

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 17, 2009 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

My question to you is since you are from LA does Diamondhead mean you are into Neil and those great Greek shows in the 70's?

All seriousness welcome aboard

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 17, 2009 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Thanks for the kind welcome.

I have spent many happy hours at the Greek, though not with Neil. More in the line of King Sunny Ade, Ike and Tina, Teddy Pendergrass CSNY blah. As I noted, I am old. My first concert was Jimi H. at the UCLA Grand Ballroom.

So, I have an Hawaiian jones. Lived there six years - visited dozens more. And I would have killed to see our Gang in Diamond Head. :) But I did see Jer in '90 in a black Aloha shirt.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 17, 2009 9:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Aloha Diamondhead, and greetings from the islands, the Big Island to be exact! Oh yeah, here is a link to the very first "He's Gone" I like the more upbeat style of this first one they played, kind of like "yeah, he's gone all right, and good riddance!" I also like the different lyric Jerry sings "I know better, but you know him"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEke7x4CKSM

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 18, 2009 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out. Nothing like a little history to start the morning. BTW - what part of the Big Island are in living? Sitting on a black sand beach? :)

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 18, 2009 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Living on the west side, the Kona side. The black sand beach of Kalapana on the east side got covered over by the volcano in the early 90's. Kilauea volcano has been erupting for 26 straight years now.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 18, 2009 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Unfortunately I know that. In '89 my wife and I honeymooned in a tent in Kalapana - one of my favorite places on earth. My honeymoon site is under 50 yards of rock. :) Take care.

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Poster: cosmicTraveller Date: Mar 22, 2009 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

There is a new community sprouting up at Kalapana these days. People are building off the grid right on the old lava! Apparently you can't even buy home insurance and the land is really cheap.

I went down there last August to see the lava flow. My lady friend and I consumed a couple mushroom chocolates and watched the sun come up as magma sizzled on the crests of waves and Pele's firey breath vaporized water in the atmosphere creating a beautiful and billowing cloud. Her presence was humbling and empowering at the same time.

Hawaii is beautiful :)

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 23, 2009 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Man that "new community" is the old community too. Puna and Kalapana have always been certifiably freaky. There were always freaks living in Puna off the grid in geodesic domes, shacks, tee-pees, tents, you name it! See the attached picture for one such place built on top of the lava
I've lived here 30 years and love this place. We have few of the mainland big city problems, little or no violence, murders rarely happen here, there are no gangs or racism or any of those struggles here. The main drawback is that it is expensive to live, since everything has to be shipped over here. I'm happy you enjoyed yourself when you came.
I would bet when you came here in the 70's you camped at Harry Brown Park across from Drain Pipe at the black sand beach in Kalapana, one of my favorite places to camp. Here is a picture taken where I used to camp between the palm trees you see. These picture are from the 1990 eruption in May. As a side note, the Jerry Garcia Band played a show in Hilo two weeks later.
Now you're gonna make me pull out my JGB audience recording of the 5/20/90 Garcia Band show from the Hilo Civic and blast it again for old times sake.... (-:

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 23, 2009 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Hard to believe this is 20 years ago. Yes, I camped at Harry K. Brown many times. My wife and I also camped there on our honeymoon night. Walked down the road to the Kalapana Drive In and sat on the beach drinking wine and eating taro chips. Did you ever swim in the Queen's Bath? Those pics you attached are awesome, particularly the one of the lava eating the park. Utter distruction with a rainbow on top. Truly Hawaii.Thanks.

BTW - I saw the JGB show the week before in the Waikiki Shell. Last time for me.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 23, 2009 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

The Queen's Bath was one of my favorite spots. You could go there when mangoes were in season and pick some the size of cantaloupes. The water was clean and VERY cold! What a great spot! One time at Harr\y Brown Park I was camping and one of my daughters had her pet rabbit in a big cage. One day it got loose and we were looking high and low for "Honey Bunny". A few days later I'm driving through the National Park down the road from HK Park and a park ranger turns his lights and siren on and pulls me over and has me follow him back to park HQ. WTF?? Inside his office is our pet rabbit caged like a prisoner and he's writing me a ticket for having an unsupervised rabbit on Nat'l Park land! Freaking hilarious!! I never did pay that ticket!
I had many many great times there. Here are some pics of Queen's Bath...
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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 23, 2009 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Ha! They should be giving tickets to the moronic sugar cane farmers that brought marine toads over! Huge problem! Just like Australia...

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Poster: smi2les25 Date: Mar 23, 2009 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

are you sure it was a farmer ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwiZYL21To

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 23, 2009 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

All I can say is WOW!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 23, 2009 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Hey DH & SD! Outstanding...been following your posts from the sidelines as you were having so much fun catching up on the good ol days (and current, it seems).

Anyhow, totally unrelated trivia, but I caught three giant marine toads at HKBrown Pk in 1970. Loved it there--wasn't able to visit that area again til 2000, exactly 30 yrs later, and found it largely as you have been describing...amazing. Loved going to the Volc House...great brkfast buffet way back when...been over to Maui more frequently the last few yrs, but always loved the big one.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 23, 2009 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Hello Mr. Tell. I've enjoyed following your exploits as I've lurked. So tell me, when you visit Maui, do you happen to visit the Seven Sacred Pools and harvest shrooms? :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 23, 2009 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Can't say that I have...most of the time is spent snorkeling, chasing lizards, and eating...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 23, 2009 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Hey Tell, if you ever come over again you should stop and say aloha, and we'll have a beer or something. Small world...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 23, 2009 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Absolutely...loved snorkeling off Kona and Cap Cook memorial area...really nice at the latter...

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Poster: smi2les25 Date: Mar 23, 2009 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

that's not what rasta sez, tell

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snorkel-dick

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 22, 2009 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Thanks for the memories. I first went there in 1976 - met some Hawaiians who told me stories about dropping acid when Kilauea went off and sitting quite near communicating with Pele. Not much seems to have changed in 30 years. :)

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Poster: cosmicTraveller Date: Mar 23, 2009 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

There is quite a "new age" community there in Puna. Seems like many people are moving through and a lot of older and younger people have been settling down to make a place amongst other fellow open-minded and tuned-in people. Many musicians, healers, farmers, magicians (!?), artisans, psychics, poets, etc... oh man, I want to go back soon!

BTW, did you ever go to Ecstatic Dance? They have one on the Big Island and one in East Bay, Oakland.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 23, 2009 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Was this your honeymoon site at Black Sand Beach?
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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 18, 2009 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

I think that last lyric change you mentioned might have just been Jerry messing up the words, unless he does it in other early ones that I haven't heard.

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Poster: smi2les25 Date: Mar 18, 2009 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

MAYBE GO WAYBACK IN THIS TIME CAPSULE >

ALOHA > http://www.archive.org/details/cipollina1972-12-31.flac16

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Poster: cosmicTraveller Date: Mar 23, 2009 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

WOW! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

John Cippolina and the whole band is simply ON FIRE. These guys play so hard. Heavy Drums, Driving Bass, Wild Leads - this is Rock n Roll!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 17, 2009 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

"he" is Lenny Hart, Mickey Hart's dad, he done up and ripped off the band when he managed for a few years in the late 60s, early 70s, he's why Mickey left the band in 1971...the bouncy version, which debuted on 04-17-72 at Tripoli Theatre, started to change over the summer, by 09-28-1972, it took on it's new arrangement...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 17, 2009 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Newbie question

Thanks. I'll have to more listening. Dang! I remember Jerry soloing over the bridge with no words.